Legislature(2021 - 2022)ADAMS 519

02/16/2022 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:35:16 PM Start
01:36:15 PM Presentation: Medicaid Update by the Department of Health and Social Services
03:36:58 PM Adjourn
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Adam Crum and Deputy Commissioner Sylvan Robb,
Department of Health and Social Services
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 16, 2022                                                                                          
                         1:35 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:35:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick called the  House Finance Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 1:35 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Kelly Merrick, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Dan Ortiz, Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Ben Carpenter (via teleconference)                                                                               
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Adam Wool (via teleconference)                                                                                   
Representative Bart LeBon                                                                                                       
Representative Sara Rasmussen                                                                                                   
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Albert Wall,  Deputy Commissioner, Division of  Medicaid and                                                                    
Healthcare  Services,   Department  of  Health   and  Social                                                                    
Services;  Sylvan Robb,  Deputy Commissioner,  Department of                                                                    
Health  and   Social  Services;  Adam   Crum,  Commissioner,                                                                    
Department of  Health and Social Services;  Gennifer Moreau-                                                                    
Johnson,   Director,   Division    of   Behavioral   Health,                                                                    
Department of Health and Social Services.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Ted Helvoigh, Vice  President, Evergreen Economics; Rich                                                                    
Albertoni, Manager, Public Consulting Group.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: MEDICAID  UPDATE BY  THE DEPARTMENT  OF HEALTH                                                                    
AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the agenda for the day.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: MEDICAID  UPDATE BY THE DEPARTMENT  OF HEALTH                                                                  
AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:36:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  relayed the list of  testifiers and invited                                                                    
the testifiers in the room to the table.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:37:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALBERT WALL,  DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DIVISION OF  MEDICAID and                                                                    
HEALTHCARE  SERVICES,   DEPARTMENT  OF  HEALTH   AND  SOCIAL                                                                    
SERVICES,  introduced   himself.  He  would   be  discussing                                                                    
Medicaid, enrollees  of Medicaid, associated costs,  and the                                                                    
future of Medicaid. The subject  was vast and complex and he                                                                    
would not be able to  cover everything about Medicaid in one                                                                    
presentation. He  reviewed the  list of testifiers  from the                                                                    
Department of  Health and Social  Services (DHSS).  He began                                                                    
the  PowerPoint  Presentation:  "Medicaid Services  FY  2023                                                                    
Overview" (copy  on file) by  reviewing the agenda  on slide                                                                    
2. The topics of the meeting included the following:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
       Medicaid Eligibility                                                                                                   
       Medicaid Budget                                                                                                        
       Medicaid Eligibility and Spending in Alaska (MESA)                                                                     
        Ted Helvoigt, Ph.D.                                                                                                     
       Public Consulting Group Recommendations         Rich                                                                   
        Albertoni                                                                                                               
       1115 Waiver       Behavioral Health Demonstration                                                                      
        Project                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:40:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall turned to slide 3  to provide an overview of Alaska                                                                    
Medicaid. He explained that Medicaid  was the largest health                                                                    
coverage  program  in   Alaska  and  provided  comprehensive                                                                    
coverage  for  Medicaid-eligible  recipients.  The  coverage                                                                    
amount  was  dependent on  recipient  needs.  He added  that                                                                    
Medicaid  was   a  collaborative  effort   between  multiple                                                                    
divisions.  While the  process was  dependent on  the state,                                                                    
Alaska  had  four  divisions  that   were  involved  in  the                                                                    
process.  He had  been doing  presentations on  the involved                                                                    
divisions at the DHSS subcommittee meetings.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  indicated   Representative  Carpenter  had                                                                    
joined the meeting online.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall continued to discuss  the divisions involved in the                                                                    
Medicaid process. The divisions were  listed on the slide as                                                                    
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     • Medicaid Eligibility: Division of Public Assistance                                                                    
        (DPA) Medicaid Program Administration: Health Care                                                                      
     • Services (HCS), Division of Behavioral Health (DBH),                                                                   
        Senior and Disabilities Services (SDS)                                                                                  
     • Service Payment: HCS and DBH, through both fiscal                                                                      
        agents  Conduent and Optum                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wall  indicated that  the  majority  of enrollees  were                                                                    
seeking  primary  care,  which   was  usually  referring  to                                                                    
services  performed  at  hospitals  and  physician  clinics.                                                                    
Many  Alaskans  needed  other services  like  mental  health                                                                    
treatment  or substance  abuse  treatment.  The Division  of                                                                    
Behavioral Health  (DBH) was  responsible for  such services                                                                    
and was  highly involved  in the  Medicaid process.  He also                                                                    
pointed out  that Medicaid had  two service  payments: Optum                                                                    
and Conduent. It  was divided into two  because there needed                                                                    
to  be quick  proof that  services were  medically necessary                                                                    
due  to the  1115 waiver.  The two  service payment  methods                                                                    
allowed for a more streamlined process.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:44:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall  continued to slide  4 and explained  that Medicaid                                                                    
was nuanced  and complex. There  were a variety  of agencies                                                                    
that  performed  specific  and  important  tasks  that  were                                                                    
paramount  to Medicaid's  functionality. He  emphasized that                                                                    
Alaska  Medicaid could  not exist  without help  provided by                                                                    
the following agencies:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     • Federal Reporting, Claiming, and Audits: Finance and                                                                   
        Management Services                                                                                                     
     • Rate Setting: Office of Rate Review                                                                                    
     • Program Integrity: Medicaid Program Integrity Unit                                                                     
        and Medicaid Fraud Control Unit (Department of Law)                                                                     
     • Medicaid State Plan: Office of the Commissioner                                                                        
     • Health Information Technology                                                                                          
     • Coordination and Consultation with Tribal Health                                                                       
        Organizations                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wall noted  that the  Federal Reporting,  Claiming, and                                                                    
Audits:   Finance   and   Management   Services   unit   was                                                                    
responsible for  drawing down about $1.7  billion in federal                                                                    
funds every  year. The  unit had  an immense  impact despite                                                                    
its  small  size.  Program  Integrity  performed  audits  of                                                                    
providers and  brought in  about $5.5  million per  year. He                                                                    
relayed  that Medicaid  was a  contract between  the federal                                                                    
government  and  the  state, and  the  Medicaid  State  Plan                                                                    
administrator acted as the contract manager for the state.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall continued  that each division had  a tribal liaison                                                                    
and  met  with  a  number  of  different  tribal  healthcare                                                                    
groups. Another important element  was the tribal reclaiming                                                                    
process which was handled through  healthcare services.  The                                                                    
tribal  reclaiming process  involved  finding general  funds                                                                    
that  could have  been claimed  under federal  funds through                                                                    
tribal  health. The  unclaimed funds  would  be adjusted  to                                                                    
bring the  money back to  the state.  In FY 20,  $90 million                                                                    
was brought into the state through the process.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:50:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Rasmussen  asked which  departments providers                                                                    
would contact if there were issues with Medicaid billing.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wall   replied  that  slide  3   represented  the  four                                                                    
divisions within  Medicaid. Behavioral health  providers had                                                                    
tools available  to them through  DBH that  provided contact                                                                    
information  for Medicaid  billing issues.  If the  provider                                                                    
was  anything besides  a  behavioral  health provider,  they                                                                    
would go through health services.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Rasmussen asked  for the  number of  medical                                                                    
providers  that  were  assigned   to  one  Medicaid  billing                                                                    
contact for questions and problems.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall replied that the  number of providers assigned to a                                                                    
single  contact depended  on provider-type,  and there  were                                                                    
many  different provider-types.  He  would get  back to  the                                                                    
committee with the answer in writing.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz asked  what type  of work  a fiscal  agent                                                                    
would do in relation to Medicaid.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall  explained that fiscal agents  were responsible for                                                                    
working  with providers  on the  claim  filing process.  The                                                                    
agents were  also responsible for  ensuring the  accuracy of                                                                    
the claim and  handled the money involved in  the claim. The                                                                    
department  worked with  Conduent and  Optum to  provide the                                                                    
service to providers.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Ortiz was  confused about  the term  "waiver" in                                                                    
relation  to  Medicaid. He  asked  for  more information  on                                                                    
waivers.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wall  explained  that  a  waiver  gave  permission  for                                                                    
someone to not  adhere to a core set of  rules. For example,                                                                    
the 1115 waiver  referred to a section in  federal code that                                                                    
described the waiver. He agreed  that waivers were confusing                                                                    
and that  each state had  its own  1115 waiver and  some had                                                                    
more than one.  The numbers referred to  Medicaid rules that                                                                    
were waived.  He used the  1135 waiver as an  example, which                                                                    
Alaska filed in  response to the COVID-19  pandemic. An 1135                                                                    
waiver  informed the  federal government  that there  was an                                                                    
emergency and requested  that some rules be  waived in order                                                                    
to  provide better  healthcare given  the circumstances.  He                                                                    
thought  there was  a testifier  later  in the  presentation                                                                    
that would give more detailed information about waivers.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:55:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon  asked  what effects  splitting  DHSS                                                                    
would have on Medicaid.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wall responded  that the  department would  be dividing                                                                    
the administration and processing  of claims from 24/7 care.                                                                    
The simplest way was to  separate regulation from the actual                                                                    
practicing  of   care.  For  instance,   Alaska  Psychiatric                                                                    
Institute (API) was  a licensed hospital and  fell under the                                                                    
jurisdiction  of healthcare  facility licensing.  There were                                                                    
divisions within  DHSS that were responsible  for overseeing                                                                    
other divisions in  the same department, which  did not seem                                                                    
logical. The split  would address the issue  and would allow                                                                    
there  to  be  more  proactive focus  on  things  like  cost                                                                    
containment of Medicaid.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon  noted  that  he  and  Representative                                                                    
Thompson  were present  when  the  Medicaid legislation  was                                                                    
being crafted in 2016 and that it was time intensive.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall understood and noted that  he had invested a lot of                                                                    
work into Medicaid as well.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wall turned  to the  slide 5  which discussed  Medicaid                                                                    
eligibility.  He  noted  that   as  demographics  in  Alaska                                                                    
changed, the impacts on Medicaid  changed. He explained that                                                                    
demographics were used to project costs.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall  turned to  the chart  on slide  6. The  green bars                                                                    
represented  the  Medicaid  expansion  population.  Overall,                                                                    
enrollment in  Medicaid was  growing steadily.  The Medicaid                                                                    
enrollment numbers would continue  to grow until the changes                                                                    
brought  about by  the pandemic  were controlled.  He turned                                                                    
the presentation over to Ms. Sylvan Robb from DHSS.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:01:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SYLVAN ROBB,  DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF  HEALTH AND                                                                    
SOCIAL SERVICES, began with slide  7 to discuss the Medicaid                                                                    
budget development process. She  relayed that the department                                                                    
included  a number  of variables  in order  to come  up with                                                                    
cost projections. Some of  the variables included population                                                                    
changes,  utilization changes,  actual spending  trends, and                                                                    
program changes  and special  initiatives. She  relayed that                                                                    
the department had  to submit a report called the  CMS 37 to                                                                    
the federal government every year.  The department used some                                                                    
additional  resources  for  projections,  such  as  Medicaid                                                                    
program  utilization  metrics  developed using  the  state's                                                                    
accounting  systems  as  well   as  long-term  forecasts  of                                                                    
Medicaid enrollment and spending in Alaska.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Robb  continued to  slide 8  and reported  that Medicaid                                                                    
had  a budget  of  $2.4  billion. In  FY  23, the  projected                                                                    
unrestricted general  fund (UGF) need was  $656 million. She                                                                    
indicated  that DHSS  was  asking for  an  increment of  $45                                                                    
million and she would discuss  how the department arrived at                                                                    
that number later in the  presentation. She noted designated                                                                    
general  funds (DGF)  as well  as federal  funding had  been                                                                    
relatively  stagnant as  shown in  the graph  on the  slide.                                                                    
Overall, the  cost of Medicaid  had increased  slightly, but                                                                    
UGF spending was down by $20 million.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:04:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Robb continued to slide 9.  She explained that the FY 23                                                                    
budget assumed that the  enhanced Federal Medical Assistance                                                                    
Percentage (FMAP)  map would conclude  at the end of  FY 22.                                                                    
The  assumption was  that the  state  would be  back at  the                                                                    
original  FMAP  levels for  FY  23.  The enhanced  FMAP  had                                                                    
awarded  the state  an additional  $17.5 million  of federal                                                                    
funding for  Medicaid each quarter, which  equated to nearly                                                                    
$70   million  annually.   The   department  anticipated   a                                                                    
shortfall of  $72 million if  the department did  nothing to                                                                    
contain  the   costs.  However,  the  department   was  only                                                                    
requesting  $45 million  because  it had  a  number of  cost                                                                    
containment strategies  that would  be implemented.  Some of                                                                    
the  cost savings  strategies were  listed on  the slide  as                                                                    
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
       Public Consulting Group cost saving activities to be                                                                   
        implemented in FY2023:                                                                                                  
       $17.0 million projected to be captured once Medicaid                                                                   
        eligibility  redetermination   resumes  (until   the                                                                    
        Public Health  Emergency is  over, states  receiving                                                                    
        the  enhanced  FMAP  must  adhere  to  a  continuous                                                                    
        enrollment requirement).                                                                                                
       $6.5 million  Implementation of Section 1945 Health                                                                    
        Homes                                                                                                                   
        $3.5 million  Pay for Performance for Hospitals                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        Other cost saving activity to be implemented in                                                                         
        FY2023:                                                                                                                 
       $4.6 million      Implementation of Indian Health                                                                      
        Service (IHS) reclaiming by the Administrative                                                                          
        Services Organization for the Division of Behavioral                                                                    
        Health                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:09:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Josephson  noted   that  in   FY  20,   the                                                                    
department  had   produced  a   phase  1   cost  containment                                                                    
implementation  schedule. He  wondered  if he  could get  an                                                                    
updated version of the schedule.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Robb suggested that  Representative Josephson speak with                                                                    
her  after  the  meeting  to  ensure  she  understood  which                                                                    
document he  wanted. She  would get  the updated  version to                                                                    
him.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon  noted  there  had  been  a  previous                                                                    
discussion  about projecting  annual Medicaid  expenses with                                                                    
an  increased emphasis  on tribal  compacting. He  asked how                                                                    
tribal compacting impacted Medicaid expenses.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall asked the representative to repeat his question.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon  elaborated that there was  a previous                                                                    
meeting  during which  the need  for more  tribal compacting                                                                    
was  emphasized, particularly  by the  Office of  Children's                                                                    
Services  (OCS).  He  wondered  what  the  relationship  was                                                                    
between tribal compacting and Medicaid.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall  indicated that tribal  compacting would be  an OCS                                                                    
issue and would not have  a direct impact on Medicaid. There                                                                    
were some  services offered through Medicaid  that were used                                                                    
by  OCS  clientele, but  the  compacting  would not  have  a                                                                    
direct impact.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon  asked  if   Mr.  Wall  was  speaking                                                                    
strictly to present circumstances.  He wondered if there was                                                                    
a possibility  that Medicaid would  play a  more substantial                                                                    
role in OCS in the future.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall reiterated  that he did not believe  there would be                                                                    
a  direct impact  on Medicaid  due  to compacting.  However,                                                                    
services provided  through Medicaid  to OCS  clientele would                                                                    
be impacted.  He explained that the  department was required                                                                    
to consult the tribes on any changes to Medicaid.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Ortiz asked to return  to slide 8. He noted there                                                                    
had been  a gradual  increase in Medicaid  participation and                                                                    
thought  the increase  did not  necessarily correlate  to an                                                                    
increase in costs.  He wondered if a  similar increase could                                                                    
be seen in graphs ranging back to 2005.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Robb  thought the question  would be better  answered by                                                                    
subsequent testifiers.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:14:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson asked about  the last item on slide                                                                    
9 which projected a $4.6  million savings in more aggressive                                                                    
tribal reclaiming. He wondered if  the savings was used both                                                                    
in the  Administrative Services  Organization (ASO)  for the                                                                    
DBH  and   separately  in  the  Division   of  Medicaid  and                                                                    
Healthcare  Services   (DMHS).  He   asked  if   the  budget                                                                    
reflected the $4.6 million savings twice.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Robb  responded in the  negative. Tribal  reclaiming was                                                                    
already  done  through the  claims  that  were paid  through                                                                    
healthcare  services.  The   forthcoming  tribal  reclaiming                                                                    
would  be for  claims  related to  the  1115 waiver.  Tribal                                                                    
reclaiming  for  1115  waiver   claims  had  never  occurred                                                                    
before.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall added that one of  the reasons was because the 1115                                                                    
waiver was relatively  new. The service line  for the waiver                                                                    
was  introduced in  two phases:  first, substance  abuse was                                                                    
implemented, then  mental health was added.  The process had                                                                    
been implemented thoughtfully and  the reclaiming aspect had                                                                    
not been  added until  the process had  proven to  be sound.                                                                    
Other  tribal reclaiming  was already  done through  another                                                                    
fiscal agent.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson thought  that DMHS  indicated that                                                                    
tribal  reclaiming  opportunities  were   down  due  to  the                                                                    
pandemic  and  lower  utilization.  He  asked  if  the  $4.6                                                                    
million  might  not  be  achieved   because  of  a  lack  of                                                                    
utilization.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall agreed  that it was possible. However,  he stood by                                                                    
the present projection.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Robb   indicated  Dr.   Ted  Helvoigh   from  Evergreen                                                                    
Economics would be continuing the presentation.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:17:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. TED  HELVOIGH, VICE PRESIDENT, EVERGREEN  ECONOMICS (via                                                                    
teleconference), continued to slide  10 to begin his portion                                                                    
of the  presentation. He relayed  there was a demand  by the                                                                    
legislature  in   2005  to  compile  a   long-term  spending                                                                    
forecast  for Medicaid  Enrollment  and  Spending in  Alaska                                                                    
(MESA). The  projections were  based on  Medicaid enrollment                                                                    
as  it  currently  operated  and   intended  to  inform  the                                                                    
legislature and DHSS on the state of Medicaid.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Helvoigh turned  to  slide 11  to  review the  modeling                                                                    
approach,  which relied  on published  data and  statistical                                                                    
modeling  to build  the forecast  in consecutive  steps. The                                                                    
steps   were  ordered   as  follows:   long-term  population                                                                    
projections,   enrollment    in   the    Medicaid   program,                                                                    
utilization  of  Medicaid  services, intensity  of  Medicaid                                                                    
use, and spending on Medicaid.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Helvoigh  moved  to  slide   12  which  charted  weekly                                                                    
spending on  Medicaid services during  all of FY 20,  FY 21,                                                                    
and  part of  FY 22.  The chart  took date  of service  into                                                                    
account and acknowledged  that services might be  paid in 30                                                                    
days,  90  days,  or  another  timeframe.  He  relayed  that                                                                    
Medicaid  spending was  close to  what it  was prior  to the                                                                    
pandemic. The  long-term forecast assumed that  the pandemic                                                                    
was a detour and that spending would fully recover.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:25:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.   Helvoigh  advanced   to  slide   13  which   reflected                                                                    
enrollment  and growth  in enrollment.  He highlighted  that                                                                    
enrollment  increased  due  to the  pandemic.  However,  the                                                                    
increase  did  not  mean  there was  a  greater  demand  for                                                                    
Medicaid but  simply that  a person would  have to  "move or                                                                    
die"  to get  off of  Medicaid. He  relayed that  there were                                                                    
fewer ways  to get off  of Medicaid  than there were  in the                                                                    
past and the  growth should decline because  of the pandemic                                                                    
waning.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Helvoigh moved  to slide  14  which showed  substantial                                                                    
growth beginning  in 2016.  Spending increased  rapidly when                                                                    
Medicaid expansion  began, slowed in  FY 20, and  was coming                                                                    
back up  again. The blue bars  on the graph showed  what the                                                                    
state  was  spending on  Medicaid  services  each year.  The                                                                    
state was spending less than it  was 10 years ago. The green                                                                    
line in  the chart showed  Medicaid enrollment and  the blue                                                                    
line   showed  Medicaid   recipients.  He   emphasized  that                                                                    
enrollees and recipients were  very different. He elaborated                                                                    
that an  enrollee was  anyone who  was enrolled  in Medicaid                                                                    
and a recipient  was an enrollee who  actually used Medicaid                                                                    
services. In  recent years, there  were many  more enrollees                                                                    
than  recipients,  which  was  not  the  situation  in  2012                                                                    
because  the   reevaluation  of   Medicaid  was   done  more                                                                    
frequently  prior to  Affordable  Care Act  (ACA). He  noted                                                                    
that due to ACA, more  people could enroll in Medicaid which                                                                    
resulted  in  a  greater separation  between  enrollees  and                                                                    
recipients. In  FY 22, approximately 78  percent of Medicaid                                                                    
enrollees were also recipients.  Enrollment was not the best                                                                    
indicator of program use; instead,  recipient numbers were a                                                                    
more informative benchmark.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:31:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Helvoigh  continued to slide  15 and explained  that the                                                                    
population  was aging,  and growth  had  slowed. The  senior                                                                    
population   would  experience   relatively  strong   growth                                                                    
through the 20-year projection period.  The group that would                                                                    
experience the  slowest growth  was children.  He emphasized                                                                    
that spending patterns were much different based on age.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Helvoigh  advanced  to slide  16  to  discuss  Medicaid                                                                    
enrollment projections  in the  long-term. He  reported that                                                                    
in 1999, there were fewer  than 100,000 enrollees and today,                                                                    
there were  about 267,000.  Enrollee numbers  were projected                                                                    
to  reach 300,000  by 2042.  Children had  historically been                                                                    
the  largest  enrollee  demographic,   but  that  had  since                                                                    
shifted and working-age adults were now the main enrollees.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Helvoigh turned  to slide  17 which  contained a  graph                                                                    
that reflected  the growth in Medicaid  reimbursement rates.                                                                    
He relayed  that Medicaid reimbursement rates  would grow at                                                                    
a slower  rate than overall healthcare  price inflation. The                                                                    
blue  line  on the  graph  showed  the projected  growth  in                                                                    
medical price inflation  in Alaska, and the  red line showed                                                                    
the  projected growth  in Medicaid  reimbursement rates.  He                                                                    
thought it was a useful graph to show cost controls.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:36:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Josephson  asked   if   Dr.  Helvoigh   had                                                                    
recommendations how  to close the distance  between the blue                                                                    
and red  lines. He  asked if  Dr. Helvoigh  was using  a 4.2                                                                    
percent Evergreen economic growth rate.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Helvoigh  responded that he  could not  provide guidance                                                                    
on how  to increase the  growth in reimbursement  rates. The                                                                    
red  line  represented historical  data  and  it trended  in                                                                    
coordination   with   national  inflation   increases.   The                                                                    
projections  represented  by the  blue  line  came about  by                                                                    
looking  at  the  historical  medical  price  inflation  for                                                                    
Alaska as  compared to the  overall general  price inflation                                                                    
in the  United States. He  used data  from a third  party to                                                                    
project  what  health  care inflation  would  look  like  in                                                                    
Alaska. He  compared the U.S.  and Alaska because  he needed                                                                    
to  use a  series that  was already  forecasted in  order to                                                                    
accurately project price inflation in the state.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  what Evergreen's  projected                                                                    
growth rate was for medical price inflation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Helvoigh  thought it  was  close  to four  percent.  On                                                                    
average, it was 3.5 percent to four percent.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson understood  that the administration                                                                    
was calling for a one percent growth rate.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Helvoigh responded that he  did not know the rate called                                                                    
for by the administration. His  point was that over the past                                                                    
15 years, medical  price inflation had grown at  3.5 to four                                                                    
percent or  even faster, yet  the overall  Medicaid spending                                                                    
has significantly lagged behind.  It was clear that Medicaid                                                                    
spending  had  grown at  a  much  slower rate  than  general                                                                    
medical price inflation in Alaska.  In other words, Medicaid                                                                    
costs appeared to have been strongly contained.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Helvoigh  advanced  to  slide  18  and  explained  that                                                                    
general  fund  spending  would   grow  faster  than  federal                                                                    
spending. He projected that Medicaid  spending would grow by                                                                    
3.5 percent each year. The  state was currently receiving an                                                                    
additional  6.3  percent  FMAP   that  would  eventually  be                                                                    
discontinued,  at which  time the  state would  experience a                                                                    
substantial  increase in  Medicaid  spending. Between  state                                                                    
general funds  and other matching  funds and  federal funds,                                                                    
annual Medicaid  spending would grow  at an average  rate of                                                                    
about 3.5 percent.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:44:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  noted that administration projected  in the                                                                    
10-year outlook  that the cost  would increase by  about one                                                                    
percent. However,  he understood  that Dr.  Helvoigh thought                                                                    
3.5 percent should be expected.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Dr.   Helvoigh   confirmed   that  3.5   percent   was   the                                                                    
expectation. He  was not familiar  with the forecast  by the                                                                    
administration that Co-Chair Foster was referring to.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster   thought  he  should  have   directed  his                                                                    
question to Mr. Wall.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall  was confused  about which  projection of  cost was                                                                    
being  discussed. He  asked if  the costs  on slide  18 were                                                                    
referring   to  the   overall  cost   of   medical  or   the                                                                    
reimbursement costs for Medicaid.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster thought it was the overall cost of medical.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  asked  what  the  department  was                                                                    
projecting for Medicaid growth.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall suggested that he get  back to the committee with a                                                                    
response in writing.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Helvoigh  continued  to  slide 19  with  a  chart  that                                                                    
compared projected spending to  the current forecast and the                                                                    
first  long-term Medicaid  forecast. He  explained that  the                                                                    
red line represented actual spending,  the green dashed line                                                                    
represented  projected  spending,  and  the  blue  dot  line                                                                    
represented the first long-term forecast from 2006.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Helvoigh turned  to slide  20 which  contained a  graph                                                                    
that showed that many more  Alaskans were receiving Medicaid                                                                    
services.  He  noted  that  the  number  of  recipients  was                                                                    
similar to the forecasted number  for a long stretch of time                                                                    
but  expanded significantly  in about  2015 due  to Medicaid                                                                    
expansion.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Helvoigh advanced  to the third chart on  slide 21 which                                                                    
concluded that spending per recipient  was much lower in the                                                                    
present day than was projected  in 2006. Costs had been flat                                                                    
over the past 10 years.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:50:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Edgmon  thought   the  chart   proved  that                                                                    
Medicaid expansion helped bend the cost curve down.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Helvoigh thought  that it did provide slight  proof on a                                                                    
per   recipient   basis.   By  definition,   the   expansion                                                                    
population   was  comprised   of  non-disabled   working-age                                                                    
adults.  He  thought   Medicaid  expansion  probably  helped                                                                    
reduce  spending per  recipient  but did  not contribute  to                                                                    
reducing the overall spending costs.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall added  that the real difference was  in the general                                                                    
fund spend. There was a  tremendous reduction in the general                                                                    
fund  spend due  to  the expansion  population, however  the                                                                    
overall expenditures were about the same.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon thought  that  was intuitive  because                                                                    
expansion population was about  90 percent after starting at                                                                    
100 percent.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wall indicated  it had  stepped down  over a  couple of                                                                    
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon  argued that it would  be difficult to                                                                    
bend the curve because of high costs in Alaska.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall  responded that he  understood the  conversation to                                                                    
be centered around the inflation  of medical costs, not just                                                                    
the reimbursement  of Medicaid.  The inflation  costs seemed                                                                    
to be  the more  important costs to  address. He  thought it                                                                    
was important  to isolate Medicaid  to be able to  look more                                                                    
closely  at it  and come  up with  a better  plan to  reduce                                                                    
costs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon   was  getting  confused   about  the                                                                    
inflation discussion.  He thought that if  the Medicaid cost                                                                    
inflation was reduced to one  percent it would help bend the                                                                    
cost curve.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall wanted  to find out more information  about the one                                                                    
percent projection before speaking to it.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  commented  that  the  Legislative                                                                    
Finance Division  (LFD) in  preparing its  long-term outlook                                                                    
for   the   governor's   ten-year  plan   noted   that   the                                                                    
administration  anticipated  that  agency  operations  would                                                                    
grow at 1.5 percent and Medicaid at one percent.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:55:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Helvoigh  continued to speak  on slide 21.  He commented                                                                    
that inflation referred  to the price of a  service, not the                                                                    
overall spending.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Helvoigh continued  to slide 22. There had  been a drive                                                                    
by the department to use  data to better understand Medicaid                                                                    
spending in Alaska.  The chart on the  slide showed Medicaid                                                                    
recipients  by age  and  diagnosis of  one  or more  chronic                                                                    
conditions. As  people aged, the likelihood  of developing a                                                                    
chronic condition increased.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Helvoigh moved  to slide 23 which included  a chart that                                                                    
showed the  average and total spending  on Medicaid services                                                                    
by number  of diagnosed  chronic conditions. The  orange bar                                                                    
represented   total  spending   on  Medicaid   Services  for                                                                    
recipients   with   chronic   conditions.  The   blue   line                                                                    
represented  the  average  spending per  recipient.  As  the                                                                    
number  of  chronic   conditions  increased,  spending  also                                                                    
increased.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Helvoigh  advanced to  slide 24  which included  a chart                                                                    
that showed the projected  spending on Medicaid services for                                                                    
FY 22 through FY 42.  The orange bar represented spending on                                                                    
beneficiaries  that  were  not   diagnosed  with  a  chronic                                                                    
condition  and the  blue bar  represented spending  on those                                                                    
who  were diagnosed  with one  or  more chronic  conditions.                                                                    
About 80  percent of spending  was dedicated  to individuals                                                                    
who had  one or more  chronic conditions. By  2042, spending                                                                    
would increase to about 84 percent.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon  surmised  that the  numbers  on  the                                                                    
slide included the prison population's need for Medicaid.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Helvoigh answered  that  incarcerated individuals  were                                                                    
included in the data.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon  remarked  that  Alaska's  population                                                                    
continued to get older and  not younger. He thought that was                                                                    
something to keep an eye on.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:03:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICH  ALBERTONI,  MANAGER,   PUBLIC  CONSULTING  GROUP  (via                                                                    
teleconference),  continued to  the  second  portion of  the                                                                    
PowerPoint  presentation  titled   "PCG  Medicaid  Strategic                                                                    
Advising  Project: Summary  of Findings  and Recommendations                                                                    
Included in DHSS  Budget" (copy on file). He  began on slide                                                                    
26  and explained  that the  Public  Consulting Group  (PCG)                                                                    
assisted DHSS  in creating a global  roadmap that redesigned                                                                    
the Medicaid and public assistance system at a lower cost.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Albertoni  moved  to  slide  27 to  show  some  of  the                                                                    
methodology  utilized by  PCG to  shape the  Medicaid system                                                                    
redesign proposal.  The left column included  information on                                                                    
site visits  and engagements directly with  DHSS, the middle                                                                    
column showed  engagement with  stakeholders, and  the right                                                                    
column showed  additional resources used over  the course of                                                                    
the project. All of the  resources were vital in shaping the                                                                    
recommendations  and findings  paper  that  was released  by                                                                    
PCG.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:06:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon  asked  if  all  of  the  stakeholder                                                                    
engagement  regarding Medicaid  contributed to  the decision                                                                    
to split DHSS into two separate departments.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wall indicated  that the  conversations were  separate.                                                                    
The conversation with PCG started  prior to the pandemic and                                                                    
had been ongoing for a number of years.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon clarified  that  the conversation  to                                                                    
divide  the  department   happened  independently  from  the                                                                    
conversation about Medicaid system strategies.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wall responded  that  the  conversations informed  each                                                                    
other, but  PCG was not  consulted on the decision  to split                                                                    
the department.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon thought  the  conversations were  one                                                                    
and  the same  and the  overall goal  was to  provide better                                                                    
programmatic  representation.  He  struggled with  the  fact                                                                    
that conversations were separate.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wall reiterated  that the  conversations informed  each                                                                    
other.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon  interjected that was not  what he was                                                                    
concerned  about. He  thought  the  conversations needed  to                                                                    
have happened together in real-time.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wall  reported  that the  conversations  were  held  in                                                                    
parallel but  that Mr. Albertoni  with PCG was not  hired to                                                                    
determine whether the department should be split.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ADAM  CRUM, COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT OF  HEALTH AND  SOCIAL                                                                    
SERVICES, indicated  that Mr. Albertoni  specifically worked                                                                    
to determine which  items that worked across  the country to                                                                    
contain  Medicaid  costs  would  also  work  in  Alaska.  He                                                                    
explained  that  Mr. Albertoni's  role  was  to present  how                                                                    
strategies  used  across  the   country  would  function  in                                                                    
Alaska.  At  the  same time,  the  department  had  separate                                                                    
conversations with  all of the stakeholders  listed on slide                                                                    
27 to ensure that they understood the DHSS split.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:10:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Albertoni  advanced to slide  28 to discuss  the overall                                                                    
reform  principles. He  explained that  paper was  organized                                                                    
around the following principles:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
       Payment Reform: Move toward value-based purchasing                                                                     
       Delivery System Reform: Move toward coordinated care                                                                   
       Cost Containment: Address inflationary pressures                                                                       
       Program Integrity: Prevent fraud, waste and abuse                                                                      
       State Financial Stewardship: Assure Alaska claims                                                                      
        its fair share of Medicaid matching dollars                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He relayed  that the principles  acted as a roadmap  for the                                                                    
Medicaid system  to move away from  a fee-for-service system                                                                    
and containing costs  through program integrity initiatives.                                                                    
He  relayed  that   he  would  be  speaking   later  in  the                                                                    
presentation about why it was  difficult to move away from a                                                                    
fee-for-service system in Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Albertoni continued  to slide  29  and indicated  there                                                                    
were three  initiatives that the department  included in the                                                                    
budget:      Medicaid     eligibility      redeterminations,                                                                    
implementation of  section 1945  health homes,  and hospital                                                                    
payments  including pay  for performance.  The  first was  a                                                                    
program  integrity initiative,  the  second  was a  delivery                                                                    
system reform, and the third was a payment reform.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Albertoni continued  to slide 30. He  explained that all                                                                    
Medicaid  recipients who  had enrolled  during the  pandemic                                                                    
would remain eligible for the  program unless they moved out                                                                    
of  state,  specifically  asked   to  be  removed  from  the                                                                    
program,  or become  deceased.  There  had been  discussions                                                                    
about   creating  a   one-time  data   use  hub   to  gather                                                                    
information about  enrollees to determine if  there were any                                                                    
changes  in circumstances  that impacted  eligibility. Other                                                                    
states  had  done  similar redeterminations  and  had  saved                                                                    
significant amount  of money.  Eligibility for  Medicaid had                                                                    
remained  frozen with  the declaration  of the  Covid Public                                                                    
Health  Emergency   (PHE)  and  redeterminations   had  also                                                                    
remained frozen.  When PHE  ended in  April of  2022, states                                                                    
would  have  options.  States could  incrementally  evaluate                                                                    
Medicaid enrollees  and everyone  would be evaluated  over a                                                                    
period  of 12  months.  There would  be significant  savings                                                                    
with redeterminations coming out of PHE.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:15:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Albertoni turned  to  slide 31  to  discuss the  Alaska                                                                    
delivery system reform baseline.  He relayed that Alaska was                                                                    
much  more fee-for-service  than most  states. He  explained                                                                    
that most states had implemented  some version of commercial                                                                    
managed care.  The state had unique  characteristics such as                                                                    
the  Tribal Health  System  that  made traditional  Medicaid                                                                    
managed  care  challenging  on a  statewide  basis.  It  was                                                                    
difficult to  establish networks  within rural areas  in the                                                                    
state,  but  Alaska  was  making  progress.  The  state  had                                                                    
existing care coordination assets  upon which to build, such                                                                    
as the  Behavioral Health 1115  Waiver, the  Providence Care                                                                    
Coordination  Demonstration,   and  High   Utilizers  Mat-Su                                                                    
(HUMS).  He  relayed that  PCG  aimed  to implement  changes                                                                    
incrementally in its report.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Albertoni  advanced to slide  32 which  discussed health                                                                    
homes, which  were authorized  in Section  1945 of  the ACA.                                                                    
Health homes  were providers  that became  care coordinators                                                                    
and homes within  the ACA were primarily  targeted at people                                                                    
with  chronic  health  conditions.  States  had  significant                                                                    
latitude  in  determining  health  home  implementation  and                                                                    
eligibility and could utilize  state plan amendments instead                                                                    
of waivers. The  state could receive 90  percent in matching                                                                    
funds for  eight quarters for care  coordinating elements of                                                                    
health  homes.  He indicated  there  were  footnotes in  his                                                                    
paper that showed  how the process would  provide savings to                                                                    
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson   thought  attaining   state  plan                                                                    
amendments was an extensive process.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Albertoni  responded that it  depended on the  amount of                                                                    
detail  required, but  that it  could  take at  least a  few                                                                    
months.   If  there   were  disagreements   on  items   like                                                                    
implementation, the process could take longer.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:20:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Albertoni  continued to payment  reform on slide  33. He                                                                    
reported  that  states  often   focused  on  hospitals  when                                                                    
beginning   the  process   of   payment  reform.   Hospitals                                                                    
represented  a  large  percentage  of total  spend  for  the                                                                    
program   and  included   a  relatively   small  number   of                                                                    
providers.    Currently,   the    baseline   for    hospital                                                                    
reimbursement  in  Alaska  was  a  per  diem  method,  which                                                                    
incorporated hospital  cost increases as they  accrued. As a                                                                    
result, the  state reacted to  cost adjustments  rather than                                                                    
managing  the   rates.  The   outpatient  method   that  was                                                                    
currently in place was based  on a percent of charges, which                                                                    
permitted  hospitals   to  control   their  own   prices  by                                                                    
adjusting charges.  Neither the  percent of charges  nor the                                                                    
per diem method was  acuity-based, meaning reimbursement was                                                                    
not based on the intensity of resource utilization.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Albertoni moved  to  slide 34  to  the new  recommended                                                                    
method for  hospital payment reform.  He explained  that the                                                                    
idea was  to take  a small portion  of the  overall hospital                                                                    
budget  and put  it  into  a pay  per  performance fund.  He                                                                    
recommended  that about  $3 million  be carved  out for  the                                                                    
fund, which  could be  easily achieved  by putting  a budget                                                                    
adjustment  factor into  the rate  setting that  effectively                                                                    
managed  cost growth  and incentivized  hospital efficiency.                                                                    
Most  states that  implemented similar  programs would  then                                                                    
pair  the   budget  adjustment  factor   with  quality-based                                                                    
payments  to   incentivize  both  resource   efficiency  and                                                                    
positive patient outcomes. The  savings in the proposal were                                                                    
based on  reducing preventable readmissions in  Alaska by 25                                                                    
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:23:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wall  turned  the presentation  over  to  Ms.  Gennifer                                                                    
Moreau-Johnson.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
GENNIFER  MOREAU-JOHNSON, DIRECTOR,  DIVISION OF  BEHAVIORAL                                                                    
HEALTH,  DEPARTMENT OF  HEALTH  AND  SOCIAL SERVICES,  began                                                                    
with  slide  36  to  discuss   the  1115  behavioral  health                                                                    
Medicaid  waiver. She  explained that  DHSS was  required to                                                                    
apply for  a Section  1115 demonstration project  waiver and                                                                    
continue  cooperation  with  grant-funded  community  mental                                                                    
health clinics and drug and alcohol treatment centers.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Moreau-Johnson moved to slide  37 which included a graph                                                                    
showing the  mental health continuum of  care. She explained                                                                    
that  the  1115  waiver targeted  certain  populations.  The                                                                    
population on  the slide  represented youth  and adolescents                                                                    
with mental  health or substance  use disorder or  those at-                                                                    
risk  of developing  such  disorders. The  blue  bar on  the                                                                    
graph represented  the services covered by  the 1115 waiver.                                                                    
She  emphasized that  the  inclusion  of early  intervention                                                                    
under  applicable services  had been  a gamechanger  for the                                                                    
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Moreau-Johnson  advanced to  slide  38  which showed  a                                                                    
graph   of  the   mental  health   continuum  of   care  for                                                                    
individuals  aged   18  and  older.   She  noted   that  the                                                                    
gamechanger  in  the graph  was  the  emphasis on  "step-up,                                                                    
step-down" services,  which were services that  could either                                                                    
divert from or stabilize  an individual when discharged from                                                                    
acute care.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Moreau-Johnson  explained  slide 39  which  showed  the                                                                    
substance abuse  disorder continuum of care  for individuals                                                                    
aged 12 and  older. She relayed that the  gamechanger in the                                                                    
category was aligning services with  the American Society of                                                                    
Addiction Medicine's (ASAM) levels of care.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Moreau-Johnson  turned  to  slide 40  which  showed  an                                                                    
example of a  shift from state grant funds  to Medicaid. The                                                                    
graph focused on  the Institute of Mental  Disease (IMD) for                                                                    
substance  use  disorder,  which   provided  a  service  not                                                                    
previously  billable  to  Medicaid.  The  graph  showed  the                                                                    
transition in costs  from the service being  funded by state                                                                    
grants to  being funded by  state Medicaid, to  being funded                                                                    
by federal  Medicaid. Overall, the 1115  waiver consisted of                                                                    
about 80 percent federal dollars.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:27:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Moreau-Johnson advanced  to slide  41 which  included a                                                                    
graph  depicting the  difference between  state and  federal                                                                    
spending on Medicaid during FY  21. Behavioral health claims                                                                    
represented  approximately  ten   percent  of  all  Medicaid                                                                    
claims.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Moreau-Johnson moved to the  final slide 42 which showed                                                                    
the  number of  unique  agencies billing  Medicaid for  1115                                                                    
waiver  services by  state region.  She emphasized  that the                                                                    
1115 waiver  was authorized in two  parts: behavioral health                                                                    
and  substance  use  disorder.   The  second  part  was  not                                                                    
authorized until May 1, 2021  [note: Ms. Moreau-Johnson made                                                                    
a correction  to this  date below].  She relayed  that grant                                                                    
funded community  providers would  still remain part  of the                                                                    
collaborative  process. She  concluded  her  portion of  the                                                                    
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  for clarification  that the                                                                    
substance  abuse portion  of the  waiver was  not authorized                                                                    
until less than a year ago.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Moreau-Johnson  corrected herself and responded  that it                                                                    
was  the  other  way  around.  The  substance  use  disorder                                                                    
component was implemented first  in 2018, and the behavioral                                                                    
health component was implemented in 2021.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  reported that  Mr. Tom  Chard from                                                                    
Alaska Behavioral  Health Association  (ABHA) told  him that                                                                    
the problem  with the proposed  transition was  capacity. He                                                                    
understood that  there needed  to be  expansion in  order to                                                                    
qualify. He asked if he understood Mr. Chard correctly.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Moreau-Johnson  thought the  question deserved  a longer                                                                    
conversation.  She explained  that some  services were  held                                                                    
back through  the state  plan and  other services  were then                                                                    
implemented through the 1115 waiver.  It was complicated and                                                                    
she  did not  want  to understate  that  the transition  was                                                                    
difficult.  The division  continued to  do things  like pre-                                                                    
provision  certification  opportunities  for  providers  for                                                                    
certain services  to ease  the transition.  She acknowledged                                                                    
again  that  the  process  was   difficult  and  there  were                                                                    
capacity issues, but the department  was doing everything it                                                                    
could to make the transition as smooth as possible.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:31:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon referred to slide  30 and noted that he                                                                    
had  not   been  part  of  the   legislature  when  Medicaid                                                                    
expansion was decided  upon. He understood that  the goal of                                                                    
expansion was to ease the  transition for enrollees who were                                                                    
between  jobs  but  were   actively  seeking  employment  or                                                                    
education.  However,  there  had  been an  increase  in  the                                                                    
number of individuals  unable to find employment  due to the                                                                    
pandemic. He  asked if  it was  expected that  enrollees who                                                                    
were now  able to work  would detach from Medicaid  and that                                                                    
the Medicaid  population would decline.  He wondered  if the                                                                    
state would  see Medicaid savings  in the following  year or                                                                    
two.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wall  thought  that   some  of  Representative  LeBon's                                                                    
concerns  were addressed  during  the  cost containment  and                                                                    
redetermination eligibility portion  of the presentation. He                                                                    
expected  that individuals  who  had  found employment  with                                                                    
benefits  would   come  off  the  Medicaid   rolls  and  the                                                                    
population  numbers  would  decline.   He  added  that  many                                                                    
individuals had jobs that either  paid too little or did not                                                                    
offer health  benefits, and therefore they  could not afford                                                                    
to disengage from Medicaid. He  offered reassurance that the                                                                    
issue was being discussed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  LeBon understood  that  the  state would  be                                                                    
entering  into   a  period  of  redeterminations   and  that                                                                    
Medicaid  populations  were  expected to  decline  within  a                                                                    
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Wall   responded,    "Absolutely."   He   added   that                                                                    
redeterminations were federally mandated.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative LeBon asked if Mr.  Wall thought PHE would be                                                                    
lifted within the next six to nine months.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wall responded that he  was confident that PHE would end                                                                    
on the expected end date of April 15, 2022.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:35:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  relayed that a cable  news network                                                                    
reported a 44  percent decrease in COVID-19  cases, but over                                                                    
the past week over 2,300 people died every day.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Foster  thanked   Ms.   Moreau-Johnson  for   her                                                                    
efficiency in  getting through the  final slides.  He wished                                                                    
he had  split up  the presentations into  multiple meetings.                                                                    
He thanked  all of  the presenters  and reviewed  the agenda                                                                    
for the following meeting.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:36:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:36 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HFIN DHSS-DOH Medicaid Services FY2023 Overview 2-16-2022 .pdf HFIN 2/16/2022 1:30:00 PM
DHSS Medicaid Update 021622 HFIN Response to Q 022422 .pdf HFIN 2/16/2022 1:30:00 PM